Interview with Ian Kidd

When did you first start writing?
I have been writing since I was a little kid. It has always been something that I really wanted to do.
What motivated you to become an indie author?
I decided to go the indie publishing route for a number of reasons. One of the main ones was because of how few publishing companies will even look at unsolicited manuscripts or unrepresented authors these days, it is also a fact that a lot of my writing is fairly quirky and different - my "Ian's Gang" series is a curious mix of genres and also plays out in a slightly odd format for a series - and rather than keep bashing against walls and trying to fit a square peg into a round hole it made sense to take charge and do it myself.
What is the greatest joy of writing for you?
The greatest joy of writing for me is being able to invent and then explore new characters, worlds and even universes, and being able to constantly challenge myself to go into new territory.
Do you remember the first story you ever wrote?
I'm not sure if it was the very first one, but I do remember writing a "Dracula" story in infant school, complete with lurid and bloody illustrations. The teachers used to get me to read them to the rest of the class. I suspect these days they wouldn't so much do that as start calling in the child psychologists lol!
Do you remember the first story you ever read, and the impact it had on you?
Again, I'm not sure if it was the very first but one of the earliest I remember was "The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe". It's a seminal book for a lot of kids I guess, and was certainly one of the first fantasy books I ever read and quite possibly gave me a taste for the fantastic.
Where did you grow up, and how did this influence your writing?
I grew up in South Yorkshire in the North of England. I guess you could argue that that impacts on my writing in terms of having a strong sense of cheeky humour, a flippant attitude to authority and a somewhat blunt, no-nonsense manner of doing things!
What's the story behind your latest book?
The most recently published title is another in the "Ian's Gang" series, "War Zone". It's a sort of conspiracy thriller that digs deep into two parallel storylines that have been bubbling under for a while - the situation on Tru'fa on New Assessis, and the anti-alien terrorist stuff that's happening on Earth. Both of these come to a pretty fiery climax in this book!
How has Smashwords contributed to your success?
Smashwords has certainly helped to spread my books around almost all of the available e-book platforms and thus increased my exposure to potential readers.
What do your fans mean to you?
I think fans are very important. If there are people who get your writing, your characters and what you are trying to do, then the last thing you want to do is disappoint them. It's very important to play fair with characters and continuity and to not cheat the audience. You're only cheating yourself if you do, after all.
What are you working on next?
My next title will be the next "Ian's Gang" story, "Morton Clavell". This is a really big, juicy horror-thriller. It's a little like "War Zone", in that there are two parallel plot threads running in tandem, but the difference is that they're actually both part of the same jigsaw puzzle; the characters (and hopefully the reader!) slowly put the pieces together as to how they can be linked. It's not just a mystery though, there's loads of action and horror and suspense and some very dark humour! One of the longest Ian's Gang stories, and I'm rather proud of it! That's out early in the New Year.
When you're not writing, how do you spend your time?
When I'm not writing, I spend my time reading, watching movies and cult television, and engaging in my secret forbidden passion - reading Harry Potter fan-fiction lol!
Published 2013-12-08.
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Books by This Author

Ian's Gang - Pretty Grim
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 49. Price: $0.99 USD. Words: 7,560. Language: English. Published: March 31, 2014. Category: Fiction
A series of mysterious deaths in a small country town set Ian's Gang on a confrontation course with the Grim Reaper himself...
Ian's Gang - An Instinct For Murder
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 48. Price: $3.99 USD. Words: 40,880. Language: English. Published: January 11, 2014. Category: Fiction
Maltby is rocked by several series' of brutal murders apparently committed by completely unrelated serial killers. How and why has Maltby suddenly become the place to be for a variety of crazed psychopaths? Ian's Gang's attempts to investigate brings them into conflict with Maltby's antagonistic new Army Commander, John Hawkins, but the killings are about to strike very close to home..
Ian's Gang - Morton Clavell
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 47. Price: $3.99 USD. Words: 43,380. Language: English. Published: January 6, 2014. Category: Fiction
Matthew Parker is investigating disappearances and various other strange happenings at an isolated and extremely bizarre boarding school in deepest, darkest Australia - a place that was once home to a cannibalistic serial killer.
Ian's Gang - War Zone
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 46. Price: $3.99 USD. Words: 35,680. Language: English. Published: November 18, 2013. Category: Fiction
Maltby is set to host Earth's first Annual Universal Conference - cue an attack by anti-alien terrorists. Commander Wilburts find himself in the front line of a deadly conspiracy that may reach far higher than he could ever have guessed. Meanwhile Steve Botham begins his new life in the colony of Tru'fa, New Assessis - only to find conspiracies are as universal as murder.
Ian's Gang - Army
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 45. Price: $1.50 USD. Words: 8,550. Language: English. Published: September 30, 2013. Category: Fiction
Business executive Jonathan Chase has an unfortunate habit of having his enemies die very nasty deaths - via killer insects...
Ian's Gang - That Child Of Mine
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 13. Price: $0.99 USD. Words: 7,920. Language: English. Published: September 14, 2013. Category: Fiction
Philip Vasquez is assigned to protect a young woman from the rapist father of her child, a task he regards as a cinch. But neither the son or the father is entirely human...
Ian's Gang - Something Evil
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 12. Price: $2.99 USD. Words: 15,900. Language: English. Published: September 14, 2013. Category: Fiction
Innocent young lives are lost in a tragic accident in the small village of Stoney Mead. One of the victims is the sister of new Ian's Gang member Charlotte Smith - but upon returning home for her sister's funeral, she discovers the deaths may have been no accident and the entire town is in a grip of fear held by a group of sinister monks with unnatural powers...
Ian's Gang - Grip of the Spider
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 11. Price: $1.50 USD. Words: 9,150. Language: English. Published: September 14, 2013. Category: Fiction
Alien giant spider parasites attack the Earth, intent on devouring the entire population. This epic, apocalyptic horror tale is the 11th story in the Ian's Gang library.
Ian's Gang - Control Network
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 10. Price: Free! Words: 4,820. Language: English. Published: September 13, 2013. Category: Fiction
All it takes for Great Britain to go from nice to Nazi is one lousy television program.
Ian's Gang - Gang Warfare
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 9. Price: Free! Words: 4,470. Language: English. Published: September 13, 2013. Category: Fiction
There's a brutal gang war on the streets of Maltby, and Ian's Gang are about to get caught in the middle - with terrible consequences.
Ian's Gang - Sideways
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 8. Price: $0.99 USD. Words: 6,460. Language: English. Published: September 12, 2013. Category: Fiction
When Ian Williams suddenly quits as leader of Ian's Gang, he hands the Gang over to the control of the enigmatic and sinister Rob Strather, while Robert Stevens finds himself literally in another world...
Ian's Gang - Witch's Brew
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 7. Price: Free! Words: 3,860. Language: English. Published: September 12, 2013. Category: Fiction
For the last few years three babies have been abducted in Maltby on Halloween, never to be seen again. Now it's Halloween once more...
Ian's Gang - The Wedding
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 6. Price: Free! Words: 4,960. Language: English. Published: September 12, 2013. Category: Fiction
Matthew Parker is somewhat surprised when his supposedly dead childhood sweetheart turns up alive and well. Needless to say, all is not as it seems - and the sound of wedding bells will be accompanied by the sound of gunfire.
Ian's Gang - The Orius Project
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 5. Price: $0.99 USD. Words: 7,130. Language: English. Published: September 11, 2013. Category: Fiction
When all contact is lost with the base on the moon of Orius, Sarah Vasquez is among a scientific/military team sent to investigate.
Ian's Gang - On Satan's Bloody Claw
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 4. Price: $0.99 USD. Words: 7,290. Language: English. Published: September 11, 2013. Category: Fiction
Ian's Gang investigate a Satanic cult operating in Maltby - but are they getting into something much bigger than they could possibly imagine?
Ian's Gang - I, Spy
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 3. Price: $0.99 USD. Words: 5,980. Language: English. Published: September 11, 2013. Category: Fiction
Ian's Gang find themselves up against a pair of bewitching "intergalactic troublemakers" who delight in spying, espionage and double-crossing...
Ian's Gang - Monster
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 2. Price: Free! Words: 4,350. Language: English. Published: September 11, 2013. Category: Fiction
Ian's Gang have arrived on Earth and are making their presence felt - but their first official case sees them up against a terrifying monster that may be only the beginning of a much greater threat...
Ian's Gang - Now and Then
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 44. Price: $2.99 USD. Words: 21,840. Language: English. Published: August 28, 2013. Category: Fiction
Five years ago Ian's Gang investigated a series of brutal murders in Ackersville, USA. The killer was never caught and now he's back - with consequences that will change their lives forever...
Ian's Gang - Colony
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 43. Price: $1.50 USD. Words: 7,480. Language: English. Published: July 4, 2013. Category: Fiction
Ian's Gang take a trip to the colony of Tru'fa, New Assessis, where someone or something is preying on the unsuspecting populace.
Ian's Gang - The Harvest
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 42. Price: $1.99 USD. Words: 8,810. Language: English. Published: June 16, 2013. Category: Fiction
A cybernetic organism from space lands in Maltby - and begins converting the population.
Ian's Gang - Pike Dreams
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 41. Price: $1.99 USD. Words: 9,120. Language: English. Published: June 5, 2013. Category: Fiction
Rebecca Hall and Kathryn Thompson wake up one morning to find that the rest of the world has just... disappeared.
Ian's Gang - Vendetta
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 40. Price: $0.99 USD. Words: 6,790. Language: English. Published: April 27, 2013. Category: Fiction
The psychopathic murderer known as Snyder is back from the dead, intent on vengeance, and Maltby will never be the same after this night...
Ian's Gang - The Dollhouse
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 39. Price: $0.99 USD. Words: 6,600. Language: English. Published: March 19, 2013. Category: Fiction
Philip Vasquez and Kathryn Thompson spend the night in a department store plagued by a series of bizarre thefts... and a murder.
Ian's Gang - Honour Thy Father
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 38. Price: $1.75 USD. Words: 7,750. Language: English. Published: March 11, 2013. Category: Fiction
An expedition to the supposedly dead world of Assessis yields some surprising discoveries. The planet is now free of radiation and ripe for colonisation - and beneath the surface is a nuclear fall-out shelter come political prison, one of whom is still alive and whose existence will result in major ramifications for the entire universe... and Ian Williams in particular.
Ian's Gang - All Dead Now
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 37. Price: $1.50 USD. Words: 8,770. Language: English. Published: February 3, 2013. Category: Fiction
Philip Vasquez wakes up one morning to find the rest of Ian's Gang have all been brutally murdered - and he's prime suspect.
Ian's Gang - Hate and Fear
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 36. Price: $1.50 USD. Words: 8,000. Language: English. Published: January 12, 2013. Category: Fiction
An anti-alien group launches a series of terrorist attacks in Maltby, blowing up Ian's Gang Base and taking hostages in Maltby High School.
Ian's Gang - Hell On Earth
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 35. Price: $4.50 USD. Words: 23,340. Language: English. Published: November 14, 2012. Category: Fiction
Maia Boothey is out of the mental home, but she is far from back to normal. Black cats are on the increase in the village of Rosewood, as Chester Shaw's warnings of impending doom and revenge from beyond the grave begin to come true... Forces of Satanic evil are swirling, gaining strength, and an already fractured Ian's Gang are about to be put to the ultimate test...
Ian's Gang - The Enemy Within
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 34. Price: $1.50 USD. Words: 8,380. Language: English. Published: October 21, 2012. Category: Fiction
A bloodthirsty, shapeshifting "clone" is heading for Maltby, leaving a trail of death and destruction in its wake. Only the sinister General Barker knows the truth about the creature, and Commander Wilburts is determined to find it out - no matter what the cost. While an unexpected treachery from within Ian's Gang itself results in an unthinkable tragedy...
Ian's Gang - The Hob'Gon
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 33. Price: $1.50 USD. Words: 7,730. Language: English. Published: October 10, 2012. Category: Fiction
A crazed old enemy is back on the streets as creatures from another dimension (Hell?) begin to enter our own. For the Boothey and Shaw families the past is coming back - to kill them...
Ian's Gang - Evil In The Night
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 32. Price: $1.50 USD. Words: 7,330. Language: English. Published: September 28, 2012. Category: Fiction
A group of college girls, a cynical young private detective and Ian's Gang's Dean and Charlotte Jones are all heading to the small town of Morton Clavell - and into terrible danger. Because absolutely everyone in this unassuming little town has become homicidally insane - literally overnight...
Ian's Gang - Day of the Mosquitoes
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 31. Price: $2.50 USD. Words: 14,810. Language: English. Published: August 18, 2012. Category: Fiction
Ian's Gang have succeeded in their mission, and Earth has been accepted as part of the universal community. Now four years have passed and all is not well; Zakaria and Zerroff stand on the brink of war, Ian Williams apparently having gone insane, while on a remote moonbase, former Ian's Gang members Steve Botham and Philip Vasquez are about to discover a threat to the entire galaxy...
Ian's Gang - The Operation
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 30. Price: $1.50 USD. Words: 8,000. Language: English. Published: August 11, 2012. Category: Fiction
The Assessis Occupation is at an end and the universe is free at last - or is it? Even as the celebrations begin, key members of Richtar's clone army are moving into position, ready to begin an operation to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. "The Operation" concludes the dramatic story arc that began in "The End" and continued through "Conflict of Interests'", "Slaughter" & "A New Hope".
The Dog and the Bone
By Ian Kidd
Price: Free! Words: 2,450. Language: English. Published: August 10, 2012. Category: Fiction
The discovery of a human bone in their backyard changes the life of a young couple forever.
Santa Claus Is Coming To Town
By Ian Kidd
Price: $1.50 USD. Words: 7,760. Language: English. Published: August 10, 2012. Category: Fiction
The small village of West Hampshire, USA, 1955. It's Christmas Eve and everyone is eating, drinking and feeling merry. But this year no one's going to be having a merry Christmas; a homicidal Santa Claus from another dimension, together with his murderous elves and bloodthirsty reindeer, are coming to steal all of West Hampshire's children - for their own, very sick, Christmas dinner...
Ian's Gang - A New Hope
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 29. Price: $1.99 USD. Words: 12,250. Language: English. Published: August 10, 2012. Category: Fiction
The Assessis Occupation of the universe continues, but now a new and powerful alien force has arrived on the scene, which could spell an end to Assessis domination... and all life on Earth. "A New Hope" continues the dramatic story arc that began in "The End" and continued in "Conflict of Interests" and "Slaughter".
Ian's Gang - Slaughter
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 28. Price: $1.50 USD. Words: 7,390. Language: English. Published: July 29, 2012. Category: Fiction
The Assessis Empire continues its domination of the galaxy, including Earth. Separated from the rest of Ian's Gang, Ian Williams and Cody Frid are hiding out in Maltby, but when Maltby's "Controller", the sadistic former hit-man known only as the BloodButcher, realises they are still in town, he launches a campaign of terror to flush them out.
Ian's Gang - Conflict of Interests
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 27. Price: $1.50 USD. Words: 6,810. Language: English. Published: July 26, 2012. Category: Fiction
The glorious Assessis Empire has wanted to conquer the galaxy for generations - and now it has finally succeeded. With Earth under Assessis control, Ian's Gang have been separated from Ian and Cody and are now hiding out with Commander Wilburts at a remote farmhouse in Wales. And it is there that Matthew Parker meets and falls in love with the beautiful Alice Wilcox - but can she be trusted?
Ian's Gang - The End
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 26. Price: $1.25 USD. Words: 7,350. Language: English. Published: July 22, 2012. Category: Fiction
The Ian's Gang project has been cancelled. There's just one problem - no one's bothered to tell them that. Caught in a web of lies, misinformation and paranoia, Ian's Gang are about to discover that there are some disasters even they can't prevent.
Ian's Gang - The Tell-Tale Heartbeat
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 25. Price: $0.99 USD. Words: 4,720. Language: English. Published: July 17, 2012. Category: Fiction
Women are living in fear of "The Maltby Ripper". Meanwhile, Cody Frid survives a lightning strike - only to find herself with the terrifying ability to predict when someone is going to die...
Ian's Gang - "THAT!"
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 24. Price: $0.99 USD. Words: 4,600. Language: English. Published: July 14, 2012. Category: Fiction
Ian's Gang wake up one morning to find that the whole of Maltby is now in black and white. When the monster props of a bad B movie being made near a local nuclear testing site suddenly develop a murderous mind of their own, it becomes clear that something very odd indeed is going on.
Ian's Gang IV (Ian's Gang Anthology)
By Ian Kidd
Price: $6.99 USD. Words: 48,440. Language: English. Published: July 12, 2012. Category: Fiction
The fourth "Ian's Gang" anthology includes 6 more extraordinary adventures! "Straight Out of Hell", "The Animal Lover"; "The Nightmare Brigade", "Dream Holiday", "Terror of the Ooze" and "Spot On". Devil worshippers, time travel, alien vampires, murder, toxic alien goo and mind-controlling pimples - it's all in a day's work for Ian's Gang!
Ian's Gang - Spot On
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 23. Price: $0.99 USD. Words: 3,660. Language: English. Published: July 12, 2012. Category: Fiction
A series of bizarre truck hijackings leads Ian's Gang to uncover an plot for alien invasion - by mind-controlling pimples!
StoopidFellas (Winniston High)
By Ian Kidd
Series: Winniston High, Book 2. Price: $5.99 USD. Words: 54,250. Language: English. Published: July 11, 2012. Category: Fiction
Robert King and James Bellamy are still determined to expose teen murderess Sis Braithwaite, but Sis has other issues, particularly the one involving Headmaster Morton Carter. Sis has found Carter's secret, but a great opportunity for blackmail turns out to be more than she bargained for when a Mafia hit squad arrives in town! The world's weirdest high school just got even crazier!
Ian's Gang - Terror of the Ooze
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 22. Price: $1.99 USD. Words: 9,430. Language: English. Published: July 11, 2012. Category: Fiction
Ian's Gang's Ian Williams and Cody Frid are driving cross-country when they decide to spend the night in a caravan park in the small North Yorkshire town of Shoalhaven. A restful evening is not on the agenda however, because a toxic alien goo is on the rampage, alternating between possessing and dissolving the flesh of the town's entire population...
Ian's Gang - Dream Holiday
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 21. Price: $1.25 USD. Words: 7,220. Language: English. Published: July 10, 2012. Category: Fiction
Ian's Gang's Cody Frid wins a "dream holiday" - a murder mystery weekend in an exotic locale. The dream very quickly becomes a nightmare however when the murders turn all too real and the guests begin dropping like flies. Before long Cody will find herself alone against a terrifyingly unstoppable and bloodthirsty foe...
Ian's Gang - The Nightmare Brigade
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 20. Price: $1.25 USD. Words: 7,520. Language: English. Published: July 8, 2012. Category: Fiction
Dean Jones and Charlotte Smith are in Whitby, helping an embittered FBI agent track down an elusive drug baron, when people start being murdered, their bodies left completely drained of blood... Are age-old vampire legends coming true in the seaside community? And what do the mysterious local fire brigade have to do with the situation?
Ian's Gang - The Animal Lover
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 19. Price: $0.99 USD. Words: 6,510. Language: English. Published: July 4, 2012. Category: Fiction
Ian Williams, Dean Jones and Cody Frid are transported three weeks into the future - to find humanity all but extinct. What has happened to the world? What does an "animal lover" by the name of Timothy Heest have to do with the situation? And can Ian, Dean and Cody ever return home to their own time and prevent this horrific future?
Ian's Gang - Straight Out Of Hell
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 18. Price: $1.99 USD. Words: 14,510. Language: English. Published: July 1, 2012. Category: Fiction
A young girl is possessed by a terrifying force. A giant bat roams the night sky, while a dead hoodlum returns from the grave. Something evil is happening in Maltby - and three ordinary families are at the centre of a terrifying scheme to unleash Satan on the world.
Ian's Gang - Hit And Run
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 17. Price: $1.99 USD. Words: 11,900. Language: English. Published: June 28, 2012. Category: Fiction
A young girl is left fighting for her life after being struck by a drunk driver. It's the kind of senseless tragedy that happens every day - but this time it's different. The victim is one of Ian's Gang's own, and the drunk driver is also under the influence of a very different kind of spirit...
Ian's Gang - Bloody Friday
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 16. Price: $2.99 USD. Words: 18,620. Language: English. Published: June 28, 2012. Category: Fiction
When all contact is lost with the planet Cat, Ian's Gang and a military team are sent to investigate. What they find is a dead world that had alien visitors of whom Philip is only too familiar and Earth is next on their list...
Ian's Gang - Mousetrap
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 14. Price: $1.25 USD. Words: 7,440. Language: English. Published: June 28, 2012. Category: Fiction
A swimmer ripped apart in the ocean. Strange lights in the sky. Young women turning homicidally insane in a matter of moments. In the small town of Mousehole, Ian's Gang members Dean Jones and Charlotte Smith were on a supposedly routine case. Now they are trapped with a mad Army General and a hypnotic serial killer from beyond the stars...
Ian's Gang - The Freakshow
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 15. Price: $1.50 USD. Words: 7,450. Language: English. Published: June 27, 2012. Category: Fiction
It was supposed to be a holiday for Ian's Gang after the trauma of recent events, a chance for Dean Jones to reconnect with his estranged family. It wasn't supposed to end in horror. A travelling fun-fair has arrived in town, with a truly disturbing secret - a freakshow. And the freakshow hides some even more disturbing secrets of its own...
The Plot To Destroy Paris! (Winniston High)
By Ian Kidd
Series: Winniston High, Book 1. Price: $0.99 USD. Words: 6,330. Language: English. Published: June 22, 2012. Category: Fiction
Robert King and James Bellamy knew that their new school was going to be different - but they never expected this! With a teen murderess on the loose, a Headmaster with a dark secret and a gang of teenage thugs who've somehow managed to get their hands on a nuclear bomb, Robert and James' first term at Winniston High is certainly going to be an education!
Ian's Gang - The Bad Ian
By Ian Kidd
Series: Ian's Gang, Book 1. Price: $0.99 USD. Words: 5,690. Language: English. Published: May 19, 2012. Category: Fiction
A group of important alien teenagers, headed by Prince Ian Williams of the planet Zakaria, are chosen to introduce Earth into its place in the wider universe. The project may never get off the ground, however, if Ian's maniacally jealous identical twin brother, Julius "The Bad Ian" Williams, has anything to do with it...